7 Replies Latest reply: Apr 26, 2013 12:55 AM by ptc-5050857 RSS

    standard and sensibility design studies

    opavot Bronze

      Dear All


      I'm working with Wildfire 4 and I want to know the strategy to use with sensitivity design , did I have to use first local sensitivity and then global sensitviity or the opposite ?


      I also don't see the utility of the standard design study because with this study , I can set parameter with basic dimension and setting but in the window's result I don't have access to this parameter , so why set a parameter you can't use


      Many thanks for your help



        • Re: standard and sensibility design studies
          jonathan.hodgson Platinum

          I've only used global sensitivity studies, but maybe I should investigate how to use local sensitivity as well:



          From reading further in the help file, it looks as though Local Sensitivity identifies the slope of the effect of a parameter, possibly several parameters at once, so it could provide a good pointer for the direction of changes.


          I usually use Global Sensitivity on one parameter at a time, and use the graph to try to find the optimum value. If I'm exploring more than one parameter, I will sometimes go back and re-check the first parameter after I make a large change to the second.



          Does anyone else have preferred techniques for Sensitivity studies?

          • Re: standard and sensibility design studies
            jonathan.hodgson Platinum

            More of a general question to PTC, really: why are Sensitivity studies so slow?


            I've got a fairly simple part here, which regenerates in the blink of an eye, and a simple static analysis in 2D Axisymmetric runs in 4.01(!) seconds elapsed.


            Yet an 8-step sensitivity study (9 analyses total) has just taken 257 sec - that's 28.5 sec for each regen and static analysis. It's running on a RAM disk, so it shouldn't be waiting to write data to a disk or anything like that...


            Interestingly, the total CPU time is still only 0.83 seconds, compared to the 0.42 for a single static run.


            This is just an illustration - the principle extends to much longer analyses too.

              • Re: standard and sensibility design studies
                PTC Employee



                Which version are you running ? Wildfire 5.0 is a lot faster than Wildfire 4.0.



                • Re: standard and sensibility design studies
                  ckatsis PTC Employee



                  It's difficult to draw conclusions from an analysis that runs in 4 sec. For this sensitivity study, loading and unloading Pro/E to do regenarations in the background must take most of the time.This is something we addressed to a large extent in WF5 by keeping Pro/E live in the background during the whole run.


                  Of course, this effect will be smaller for larger models as each analysis takes longer to complete. For medium to large models (and assuming you don't ask for hundred of steps), this effect should be very minor, even in WF4 and before.


                  If you have a case of a large model / long analysis where you see a large descrepancy between the run times of each analysis vs. the sensitivity study, please file an SPR with Technical Support and we will take a look at it.





                    • Re: standard and sensibility design studies
                      jonathan.hodgson Platinum

                      Stephen: I'm on WF4, as you probably suspected.


                      Christos: thanks, that makes some sense now. Obviously it depends on the definition of 'large model' but with my current machine (quad-core Xeon with 24 GB, temp files on a RAM disk) most of my analyses are pretty quick, no more than a handful of minutes and often less than one minute, so it's just a little irritating that a 9-step study takes way more than 9 times as long.


                      Good to hear it's been addressed in WF5 - presumably there's a memory penalty, but that's not likely to bother me!

                  • Re: standard and sensibility design studies
                    ptc-5050857 Copper

                    I have also the same problem.


                    How can I set the local sensitivity study gragh's range?

                    I can't get the design parameter definition toolbar in pro engineer wildfire 5.0.

                    Any one who can help me about this toolbar location.


                    thank you!