topic Windchill 12 Sizing Guidlines for Virtualization Server Environments in Windchill

Windchill 12 Sizing Guidlines for Virtualization Server Environments

LawrenceS — Tue, 24 Oct 2023 14:23:28 GMT

Summary:

How to interpret and optimize the PTC requirement for physical processors in a virtualized (Windows) OS environment?
e.g. if the requirement is 10 physical cores how should the virtual processor sockets/cores/threads be configured?

PTC Reference Documentation

Windchill 12.0.x Server Hardware Sizing Guidelines - Microsoft Windows Platform with Oracle Database | PTC
Taken from the more general:
- Article - CS226581 - [Knowledge Hub] Windchill PLM - Hardware Sizing (ptc.com)
- Article - CS332056 - Hardware Sizing Guidelines for Windchill 12.0 with Microsoft Windows Platform and SQL Server Database (not yet published) (ptc.com)

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Details:

It seems to me that at this point virtualized Windchill servers are no longer uncommon. However, when reading the PTC recommended minimum server requirements documentation, it is not clear to me how to interpret the requirements specifically for virtual processors.

Physical processors are broken down by:

Processor sockets,
Cores
Logical processors/threads

However, even though the virtualized Windows environment uses the same terminology, that isn't really what is happening when we are talking about 'virtual' processors. In my current understanding, of a virtualized system (and loosely speaking) what the OS recognizes as

Processor sockets are more akin to cores
Cores are more akin to threads.
Threads are usually 1 thread for every core.

Additionally, my understanding is that in a virtualized environment:

Thread count is the only thing that matters.
Usually, it is 1 "socket' to 1 "core" to 1 "thread".
So if you need 10 threads, then you usually designate 10 'sockets'
(10 sockets x 1 core/socket x 1 thread/core = 10 threads)

However, WC documentation doesn't specify # of threads as a requirement, it specifies # of cores as a requirement, yet >= 2 threads/core is common. The PTC docs also specify that MANY threads for each core can cause problems.

Should I assume that there are 2 threads/core (because most common on Xeon processors) in the calculation?
- For example, if the requirement is 10 cores, then this would mean that 20 processor 'sockets' should be defined
  (OS would see 20 sockets x 1 core/socket x 1 socket/core)
Will this method of 1 core/socket cause problems for WC (performance or buggy)?
Is this optimized for WC, such that we are getting the most stability and performance 'bang for the buck'?

This came up partially related to some performance issues, but more generally want to make sure we are optimizing for performance, stability, and cost.

Environment:

Windows Server
Windchill 12.0.1 (application & database servers)
SQL database

Re: Windchill 12 Sizing Guidlines for Virtualization Server Environments

TomU — Tue, 24 Oct 2023 15:19:20 GMT

Not sure about other hypervisors, but for VMware there is no performance difference between cores and sockets. Sockets were simply added for licensing purposes since a lot of software is (or used to be) licensed based on CPU sockets.

PTC's sizing guides are inconsistent, and some of them haven't been updated for many years. They can provide a starting point, but you're better off monitoring performance and then adding resources where you see bottlenecks. Not sure how large your environment is, but make sure you are running multiple foreground method server processes. This really helps keep the system responsive when one user has a long running action (large check in, long running search, etc.)

Re: Windchill 12 Sizing Guidlines for Virtualization Server Environments

TomU — Wed, 25 Oct 2023 01:45:41 GMT

Excellent article here on sockets vs. cores. Looks like there are indeed some best practices to follow in this area.

https://blogs.vmware.com/performance/2017/03/virtual-machine-vcpu-and-vnuma-rightsizing-rules-of-thumb.html

Re: Windchill 12 Sizing Guidlines for Virtualization Server Environments

LawrenceS — Fri, 27 Oct 2023 22:04:21 GMT

@TomU , thanks for finding and sending this article. When I was searching non-PTC sources this type of thing looks exactly what I was looking for but didn't find on my own! It is fantastic.

From what I understand so far, it advises configuring the number of cores per processor, which is contrary to the generic stuff I found which said just configure vcpu and be done with it.

I am wondering now if it is worth getting feedback from PTC on this and if there are any nuances that are worthwhile to be answered by them... But perhaps this will be answered when I have a deeper understanding of that article.